Federal Aviation Administration Complainant, V.  Darryl H. Phillips, Respondent





Federal Aviation Administration Complainant, V.  Darryl H. Phillips, Respondent

By Darryl Phillips 

Federal Aviation Administration Complainant, V. Darryl H. Phillips, Respondent  

March 6, 2000

Before The United States Of America National Transportation Safety Board

Docket No. CD-33

In the Matter of:  




The above-entitled matter came on for Hearing, pursuant to Notice, before WILLIAM R. MULLINS, Administrative Law Judge, at Room 1020, 420 West Main, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, on Friday, September 5, 1997, at 12:30 p.m.  


On behalf of the Complainant: JOSEPH R. STANDELL, ESQ.

On behalf of the Respondent: DARRYL H. PHILLIPS, Pro Se

Trial Transcript:  Administrator  v. Darryl Phillips

Here is the full verbatim transcript of Darryl Phillips' trial before NTSB Judge Mullins, followed by some "rest of the story" comments by Phillips. March 6, 2000  









Darryl H. Phillips














Photographs taken at the Salisaw United States Post Office.




Photographs taken at the Salisaw United States Post Office.




Rental agreement Post Office standard form 1093.




Photographs of the mailbox alone.




Photographs of mailbox and residence of Mr. Phillips.



(Time noted: 12:30 p.m.)

JUDGE MULLINS: This is a hearing before the National Transportation Safety Board being held in Oklahoma City. Today is the 5th day of September of 1997, and this matter is on the petition of Mr. Darryl H. Phillips for the review of the denial of the — by the Acting Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration of the issuance of an airman's certificate. And our Board Docket No. is CD-33. At this time, and for the record, I would request a statement of appearance by the parties, and I take it, Mr. Phillips, that you're going to be representing yourself in this matter?

THE APPELLANT: That's correct, Your Honor.

JUDGE MULLINS: All right. And for the Administrator?

MR. STANDELL: I'm Joseph R. Standell, S-t-a-n-d-e-l-1. I'm the Assistant Chief Counsel, c-o-u-n-s-e-l, for the Aeronautical Center, Mike Maroney Aeronautical Center, Federal Aviation Administration, United States Department of Transportation.

JUDGE MULLINS: Thank you. Now, Mr. Phillips, the trial — this trial is different than most of the trials that I do, because in this one, you are the Petitioner versus the Administrator, and as the Petitioner, you have the burden of going forward and establishing your evidence by a preponderance of the evidence. Because you do have that burden, you get to make an opening statement first, you get to close first and last, and you get to put on your evidence first. But before we go to an opening statement, do you have any preliminary matters that I need to address before the opening?


JUDGE MULLINS: All right. Does the Administrator have anything preliminarily?

MR. STANDELL: Yes, at least one, Your Honor. We'd like to make a motion to dismiss on jurisdictional grounds. We believe that pleadings have not established and none of the evidence will establish that there has been a denial under Section 44703 here. The pleadings that were shown and the answer that we have submitted to the pleadings show that there was not a denial of an application for an aircraft registration. There is simply a delay in processing to allow Mr. Phillips to comply with the requirements of 6113 and complete the application that's acceptable to the Administrator. So on that basis, we would move that jurisdictionally, there has been no denial and that the matter is right for dismissal.

THE APPELLANT: Your Honor, I would argue against the granting his motion. The evidence that I will present today will show that I have complied with 6113 and that the Administrator, through the Airman Certification Branch, is operating contrary to the law and operating in a capricious and arbitrary manner.

JUDGE MULLINS: In an abundance of caution, I'm — I'll just take the motion under advisement and go ahead, since we're here, and receive the evidence because I wouldn't want this matter to go back somewhere if I ruled — whichever way I ruled — if ruled for the Administrator and then get reversed, then we'd all have to come back to Oklahoma City. So I'll just, for the moment, take the motion under advisement and ask that you proceed. And at this time, Mr. Phillips, you may make an opening statement.


MR. STANDELL: May I have — I have one other preliminary matter?

JUDGE MULLINS: Oh, certainly.

MR. STANDELL: I would just like a clarification with respect to denials, because I'm even less familiar with the precedents than you are, but the question I've got is this: That Mr. Phillips has subpoenaed Mary Rickey and Harold Everett as witnesses, and I assume that he's going to call them

THE APPELLANT: I will. Those are my two witnesses

MR. STANDELL: Okay. And I understand that Mr. Phillips is not an attorney, and I was wondering if you would clarify for us and clarify for him, in particular, their roles and whether or not he is bound by their testimony, since it's, you know, they have not been established as adverse in any way, that —


MR. STANDELL: — and I'll take them on cross examination.

JUDGE MULLINS: Mr. Standell has raised an interesting point, and that is, if you put on these folks that you have subpoenaed in your case in chief, then you may be bound by their testimony, and their testimony may not be favorable to the position you want to put forward here today.

THE APPELLANT: I understand that.

JUDGE MULLINS: At the same time, you know, I've read the pleadings and I'm not sure — I mean — well, I think I understand the issue, but I'm not sure why we would need witnesses to support that, other than your own testimony that you submitted this application and it came back with remarks or whatever that would be so indicated.

THE APPELLANT: Your Honor, as I read Section 44703, I see that I have the burden of proof to show that the actions are arbitrary, capricious or not in accord with the law. In order to do that, I need the testimony of the people that work in the Airman Certification Branch.

JUDGE MULLINS: Well, as I said, you may be bound by what they say. All right. okay. Then you may proceed with your opening statement.

THE APPELLANT: Thank you, Your Honor.

The specific subject today, whether or not I'm required to submit a map, whether any airman is required to submit a map, is so small as to be almost insignificant. None of us should be here wasting our time on something that small.

The legal principle behind it is anything but insignificant. What we're really talking about is not a silly map. We're talking about whether the Federal Aviation Administration can violate the spirit and letter of the law set down by Congress, whether they can violate the regulations that FAA has promulgated, whether they can issue orders that are contradictory to other orders, and then pick and choose on any given instance, which they want to enforce and which they want to ignore.

Whether they can enforce orders that have expired many years ago, but they're still claiming to enforce them; whether they can operate contrary to law, and that is what this hearing is about today.

Thank you.

JUDGE MULLINS: Do you wish to make an opening statement at this time, Mr. Standell?

MR. STANDELL: Yes, Your Honor, just a brief one, just to correct — perhaps to correct something that Mr. Phillips has said. It is not completely true that we required that a map be submitted. We required either that a description of the residence be submitted, or a map, anything that would show where the location of the residence was.

It's our position that the requirement we make is totally consistent with all of the orders, with the basic Statute, 6113, with the application itself, which is very, very clear as to the requirement to submit something in addition to what was submitted here. So on that basis, we would say that the failure to do so is unjustifiable and is grounds for the stopping of the process, if you would, until he complies.

JUDGE MULLINS: All right. Mr. Phillips, you may call your first witness.

THE APPELLANT: Your Honor, if it please the Court, I have several items of evidence that I would like to enter prior to calling the first witness.

JUDGE MULLINS: All right. If you would, sir, in addition to the numbering system that you might have used, which I — you know, would be Petitioners 1 or — I would ask that you put the Board Docket Number on those, which is CD-33.

THE APPELLANT: okay. If you'll give me just one moment, I'll put it on the first two that I'm going to introduce.

(Whereupon, a discussion was held off the record.)

JUDGE MULLINS: Mr. Standell, if you would just remain seated. We're having a little trouble picking you up here.



THE APPELLANT: Your Honor, the first two photographs that I would like to enter into evidence, which are labeled P-1 and P-2, are photographs taken by me in the past few days at the Salisaw United States Post Office. P-1 shows a photograph of Post Office boxes

(Whereupon, the document was marked for identification as P-1.)

THE APPELLANT: P-2 is — also shows Post Office boxes, along with a patron that happened by when I was there to take the pictures.

(Whereupon, the document was marked for identification as P-2.)

THE APPELLANT: The reason that I'm showing these is because there is a great deal of confusion on the difference between a Post Office box and a Rural Route.

In preparation for this case, as the Court is aware, I subpoenaed some items from — or through Mr. Standell, and I received a phone call from a lady who identified herself as being with his office, and I believe her name was Ms. Morgan, although I'm not sure about that.

And she says, "Mr. Phillips, I have the items that you subpoenaed ready," but she says, "We have to have a different address because we cannot Fed Ex to a Post Office box.

Now the point I'm making, Your Honor, is that I don't have a Post Office box.

A Post Office box, as you can see in the pictures, and as we all know, is —

(whereupon, a discussion was held off the record.)

THE APPELLANT: Pat, can you carry the items up there? That would be a lot easier. If you'll give that to his Honor.

The item labeled P-3 is the rental agreement. It is Post Office standard form 1093, which has to do with renting Post Office boxes, which is how you acquire one.

(Whereupon, the document was marked for identification as P-3.)

THE APPELLANT: The next Exhibits, P-4 and P-5 — give it to the Judge first — are photographs of my mailbox. P-4 shows the mailbox alone.

(Whereupon, the document was marked for identification as P-4.)


THE APPELLANT: P-5 is taken from a different angle. It shows not only the mailbox, but it also shows my residence.

(Whereupon, the document was marked for identification as P-5.)  

THE APPELLANT: There is no connection between a Post Office box and a rural mailbox.

The next two items that I would like to put into evidence - here we go are originals of items that we received recently. These happen to be not from Fed Ex. I didn't have anything from Fed Ex. But they happen to be UPS, both overnight and more normal, slow shipment, as evidence of the fact that we do, indeed receive shipments, contrary to what the FAA believed we do get things out in the country the same as people in town do.

I know I'm belaboring this point, but it's important because it goes directly to the heart of this case.

The next thing, Your Honor, that I would like to establish is that my address, which is —

JUDGE MULLINS: Well, you can offer these Exhibits, but if you're going to testify, I'll need to swear you in.

THE APPELLANT: I believe we should do that at this time.

MR. STANDELL: Your Honor, could we have a side bar for one second?


(Whereupon, a discussion was held off the record.)

MR. STANDELL: I'll withdraw the request for the side bar.

JUDGE MULLINS: All right. Would you stand, sir, and raise your right hand.

Whereupon, DARRYL H. PHILLIPS was called as a witness on behalf of THE APPELLANT, and, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

JUDGE MULLINS: I'll let you testify from there so that you have all your materials there, Mr. Phillips.

THE WITNESS: Thank you, sir.

JUDGE MULLINS: Unless counsel has an objection.

MR. STANDELL: No. I have No objection.

JUDGE MULLINS: Okay. Go ahead.


THE WITNESS: The next item which I would like to enter into evidence, which is labeled P-8 —

JUDGE MULLINS: I've got two labeled P-6.

THE WITNESS: And no P-7?

JUDGE MULLINS: No P-7, and the — and the two P-6's are exactly the same.

THE WITNESS: Yes. This is 7. Do you have that?


THE WITNESS: Okay. One moment, Your Honor.

MR. STANDELL: Your Honor, could I just have a — perhaps a two-second break, just to confer with Mr. Phillips for just one second?

JUDGE MULLINS: Certainly. Would you like me to step outside?

MR. STANDELL: No. No. That's fine. I just — one second.

(Whereupon, a discussion was held off the record.)

JUDGE MULLINS: We just had a side bar conference and Mr. Standell has indicated that with the introduction of Petitioner's Exhibit 5, which is a photograph of his residence and his rural route — post — mailbox, that the Administrator is satisfied this is sufficient information for them to issue the certificate.

And with that announcement that makes the petition of Mr. Phillips moot, and therefore, the hearing is terminated.

THE WITNESS: Thank you, Your Honor.

(Whereupon, the hearing was adjourned at 1:00 p.m.)


This is to certify that the attached proceedings before the NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD IN THE MATTER OF:








PLACE: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

DATE: September 5, 1997

were held according to the record, and that this is the original, complete, true and accurate transcript which has been compared to the recording accomplished at the hearing.

Official Reporter


Comments on the transcript by Darryl Phillips


The transcript is complete. At the same time, the transcript is anything but a complete picture of what went on in the courtroom that day. It is true that FAA attorney Standell used the photograph (exhibit P-5) as the means to end the proceeding.

He was going to find some way to stop me from introducing the damning evidence I had against the FAA. Look at that photograph. Is there anything in it that satisfies the requirement he states in his opening remarks "We required either that a description of the residence be submitted, or a map, anything that would show where the location of the residence was."

Can anyone (other than my neighbors) look at that picture and tell "where the location of the residence was"? Well, there are no palm trees so I guess that narrows it down a little.

Is there anything in that photograph that satisfies the requirement set forth in FAA's Action Notice 8700.2, which states "an airman residing on a rural route must disclose the actual location of his/her residence"?

Is there anything in that photograph that satisfies the requirement set forth in FAA's Order 8710.3C, which states "..if the applicant...resides on a rural route, a boat, or in some other location that requires the use of a post office box or rural route number...the applicant must provide the geographical location of the applicant's residence on a separate piece of paper and attest by signature..."?

I think any reasonable person would agree that there is nothing in the picture to meet those requirements. So if FAA says the picture is all they need, that shows (once again) that FAA is not interested in following their own requirements.

And if they'll do it on something as small and silly as this, think what they will do when the stakes are higher.

How can the transcript be complete, and simultaneously incomplete? It's those little "sidebar" conversations. That is where much of the real work is done. There is no ticking clock in a transcript, no way to see that the gaps - which look so small on paper - are really larger than the "on the record" proceedings. Just prior to the point where Standell threw in the towel, there is a ten minute break where Standell took my two witnesses into the hall for a conversation. I imagine (but don't know) that there must have been some disagreement between them, else it wouldn't have taken so long. He wanted to get this thing stopped.

Legally, it is questionable whether he should have been able to take my witnesses (who were only present because I had subpoenaed them) out of the courtroom at all. Indeed, I think a good question could be asked as to whether he could speak with my witnesses at all once the proceeding had begun, even inside the courtroom. But that really doesn't matter, the representative for the Administrator of the FAA was going to find a way to end the proceeding.

Of course they could have ended it earlier. Months earlier. I had explained again and again that what they were requiring was contrary to law. I had explained it in person, and in writing, and on the phone.

They wouldn't listen, they were willing to take me all the way to court in hopes that I would knuckle under and give them a silly map.

And the taxpayers were paying for it all. It's not just the dollar cost, we should also consider the delays and backups in paperwork processing that had to get worse while they were trying to force their illegalities on me. Or look at it this way: Think how much things would be speeded up if they treated all airmen as the law requires. Period.

The lesson? FAA has been winning for a long long time. It rarely loses. In fact, FAA loses so rarely that it has lost the muscle tone that only comes from continued exercise. FAA has developed a soft underbelly. As a result, FAA is vulnerable. Federal Anti Aviation has promulgated so many conflicting and contradictory rules that all we airmen have to do is dig in, do our homework, and fight.

At the same time, it is incumbent on us not to take advantage. If you are caught buzzing your girlfriend's house, you should accept your punishment. Better yet, don't do it in the first place. On the other hand, if you and your instructor are practicing forced landings and some country sheriff claims you were below 500 ft AGL, fight like hell.

The rules are supposed to support the goals of safety and efficiency. It's up to us, each one of us, to hold the FAA to that standard.

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